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then you're fighting for tax cuts, not tax increases, but we'll see. and the fact of the matter is that grover is just a vessel for a bigger issue. taxes used to be -- >> he seems to be calling the shots. >> he's not calling the shots. >> last week to figure out -- last week on the media there's a lot of reporting that saxby chambliss stood up to grover or broke with him. here is what he said. let's look at that first. >> i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> do you think that grover norquist would hold a no new tax pledge that you signed 20 years ago, would he hold that against you in an upcoming re-election bid for the u.s. senate? >> well, you know, in all likelihood, yes, but i don't worry about that because i care too much about my country. i care a lot more about it than i do about grover norquist. >> well, "the washington post" reports today that five days after making those comments on television -- on radio rather, chambliss and norquist spoke on the phone. as norquist read allowed a transcript of chambliss' e
then you're fighting for tax cuts, not tax increases, but we'll see. and the fact of the matter is that grover is just a vessel for a bigger issue. taxes used to be -- >> he seems to be calling the shots. >> he's not calling the shots. >> last week to figure out -- last week on the media there's a lot of reporting that saxby chambliss stood up to grover or broke with him. here is what he said. let's look at that first. >> i care more about this country than i do about a...
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avoidance if it looks like tax avoidance and it smells like tax avoidance is tax avoidance and we can have a broad principle that rules out because otherwise what the companies warn they want this thing called a regulation which is just another way where they can hire expensive accountants to get around the law and then siphon their money their ended their in here and there we don't want that we need just have a one very simple rule that says tax avoidance no way no in this country and yeah i'd also like to come down on tax havens as well internationally that's really important so we don't have a race to the bottom so the corporations think they can go wherever they like basically right now in the case of starbucks of course the boycott is a very potent weapon because it's a retail company. it's not an institutional business to business massive computer company listed like an i.b.m. or something starbucks is directly with the public so a boycott really cuts into their revenues and for that reason it can be a very effective means to get the company's attention have you given any though
avoidance if it looks like tax avoidance and it smells like tax avoidance is tax avoidance and we can have a broad principle that rules out because otherwise what the companies warn they want this thing called a regulation which is just another way where they can hire expensive accountants to get around the law and then siphon their money their ended their in here and there we don't want that we need just have a one very simple rule that says tax avoidance no way no in this country and yeah i'd...
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their payroll taxes might. their income taxes are not. and that is huge. and the truth is, from what i'm hearing, the top 2% better start making financial plans. >> there's no question about that. what's wrong with this proposal? >> look, there are parts of this proposals are reasonable. the bigger problem here is, if the president is sticking to this position, at least for the time being that he outlined last week, would be the equivalent of the republicans saying we want the ryan budget, we want marginal tax rates cut across the board 20%. i'll tell you, steve, i think he has dug in, he spent more time on the phone this week from what i understand with steve israel, chairman of the democrat chair than he did with john boehner. tell me what he's telling those hard left groups about his position and how he can walk back to something more reasonable like something that tom's for. given what he's saying with these hard left groups. >> he's trying to do something different than he's done before. which is take his message outside the beltway, outside of capito
their payroll taxes might. their income taxes are not. and that is huge. and the truth is, from what i'm hearing, the top 2% better start making financial plans. >> there's no question about that. what's wrong with this proposal? >> look, there are parts of this proposals are reasonable. the bigger problem here is, if the president is sticking to this position, at least for the time being that he outlined last week, would be the equivalent of the republicans saying we want the ryan...
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earners will pay some minimum tax, automatically a minute tax. they have some additional taxes. they want to get rid of capital gains tax that benefitted mitt romney. it's a different arrangement but a more progressive tax. >> bill, interestingly their plan suggests that tax increases should start at $422,000 instead of $250,000 that the president has set. why would that make such a difference or not so much of a difference in circumstances? >> well, martin, it would obviously hit fewer people. you know -- >> and therefore, produce less revenue. >> produce less revenue but at higher rates potentially than the president is talking about. i mean, you know, the thing is even though we feel like we are constantly hearing from bob rubin and larry somers and roger altman, a little bit of a bad penny -- >> you have heard this before. >> on the other hand, they were absolutely right. even bill krystal agrees with them. the economy boomed during the middle of the clinton two administrations when the high tax rate was at 39.6%. we had a huge expansion of p
earners will pay some minimum tax, automatically a minute tax. they have some additional taxes. they want to get rid of capital gains tax that benefitted mitt romney. it's a different arrangement but a more progressive tax. >> bill, interestingly their plan suggests that tax increases should start at $422,000 instead of $250,000 that the president has set. why would that make such a difference or not so much of a difference in circumstances? >> well, martin, it would obviously hit...
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anything above $2,500 will be taxed and the rest will be taxed. they are going to be playing $10,000, $12,000 more per year taxable rate to get their kids per school. >> and they're always talking about how the republicans want to destroy the study for autism. but here it is black and white in the obama. we appreciate it. it's great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> now to the lottery frenzy. there's already a winner in this game. the government. not good. we're going to explain when "the kudlow report" comes right back. >>> if everything on the fiscal side caves, what incentive is there for tax reform in 20 13? >> ups believes congress does need to move very quickly to get this done. >> there are going to be many moments when it seems like there's a deal and then there are people who fight the deal, which is why we have been featuring the notion of rising above. >> all sides could lose if an agreement isn't arrived upon. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all
anything above $2,500 will be taxed and the rest will be taxed. they are going to be playing $10,000, $12,000 more per year taxable rate to get their kids per school. >> and they're always talking about how the republicans want to destroy the study for autism. but here it is black and white in the obama. we appreciate it. it's great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> now to the lottery frenzy. there's already a winner in this game. the government. not good. we're going to...
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we got four bad years of regulation taxes, he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> there's a doctor strang love. how many republicans will be willing to stand up to that threat. david corn is here to talk about it, the washington bureau chief for mother joins and the author of "47 percent" he's a member of the gridiron society and john feehery is a republican strategist. grover, you're playing defense here. one man elected to nothing. the fact that saxby chambliss comes up, i don't have to live up to some pledge i made 20 years ago and calls up and has grover on the phone going through the transcript of what he said and he's apologizing for each segment as it. what's going on? a senator has to kiss butt to this guy? >> i have known grover for a long time and i like him and he representing -- >> you're afraid of him too. >> i'm not afraid of him. he represents a cause and he's been amazingly successful because taxes have gone down for a long time because of grover. what do we nou becau
we got four bad years of regulation taxes, he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> there's a doctor strang love. how many republicans will be willing to stand up to that threat. david corn is here to talk about it, the washington bureau chief for mother joins and the author of "47 percent" he's a member of the gridiron society and john feehery is a republican strategist. grover, you're playing...
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own taxes. it's a sham and they ought to be rolled out of town if people understand what they were talking about. >> if people are worried about how they're going to take care of the homeless, how schools will be able to accommodate 30 kids in the class rom how people will be able to make ends meet when unemployment disappears. they can't be here. they can't afford it. they come here and write it off in their taxes $20 million a year ceos from these corporations, and continue to spread the hysteria and--and if their plan goes through the austerity plan, they and their company and their bonuses are actually the only thing that is going to improve in this economy. >> eliot: as they have over the past couple of years. income disparity is worse and worse and incomes are going up. lloyd blankfein telling people that they people should not expect to work for 25 years and then retire for 30. i don't think he understands what social security is all about. >>> the hispanic caucus said no today on a repub
own taxes. it's a sham and they ought to be rolled out of town if people understand what they were talking about. >> if people are worried about how they're going to take care of the homeless, how schools will be able to accommodate 30 kids in the class rom how people will be able to make ends meet when unemployment disappears. they can't be here. they can't afford it. they come here and write it off in their taxes $20 million a year ceos from these corporations, and continue to spread...
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not the tax rates. cut the spending, not the -- >> gretchen: it's kind of like that duh sound on the simpson show. people know this. people know this is what it's going to come down to yet it's this posturing. now headlines, chaos in cairo. president morsi returning to his palace overnight. he took off amid violent protests between police and protests, 100,000. they're outraged over morsi expanding his powers. hello, you elected him -- but the muslim brotherhood calling for its own protests over alleged abuses by the opposition. several tv stations in egypt going back to protest the constitution drafted by islamists. >>> new chilling surveillance video showing the moment when a barista came face-to-face with her killer. you can see 18-year-old samantha make the coffee and then raise her hands as if she's being held up. he makes her turn off the lights and climb through a window before tying her hands behind her back, chilling. the f.b.i. says he then sexually assaulted and he killed her. he's confessed
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raising the gas tax is the latest. tom kloza joined those on the phone now. >> i think it is probably something that is sensible to look at. melissa: what works? this is incredibly regressive. i cannot imagine democrats embracing this. this will hit lower income americans the hardest. >> in the rural south and the rural midwest. it has not been increased since 1993. it is a fraction of what you see. here is a thought. if you really believe and i do believe that we are probably going to be much more dependent on foreign oral and have two purdue as oil going forward, there may be a way to index it towards those u.s. numbers. melissa: is the economy growing at 8% and no one told me look back why would you raise taxes on something like this works? home values are terrible. unemployment is high. that just takes money directly away from things that people would spend money on to fuel the economy and put that in the pocket of the government. >> i would disagree with you. years ago if we would spend as much as we well this yea
raising the gas tax is the latest. tom kloza joined those on the phone now. >> i think it is probably something that is sensible to look at. melissa: what works? this is incredibly regressive. i cannot imagine democrats embracing this. this will hit lower income americans the hardest. >> in the rural south and the rural midwest. it has not been increased since 1993. it is a fraction of what you see. here is a thought. if you really believe and i do believe that we are probably going...
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with taxes going up, tax-free muni bonds are all the rage. we will have tips on how to find some good ones next. dennis: first, some of today's winners and losers. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' rst day of work. and his new boss told him twongs -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it y, but he'll wk his way up from busser to wter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and me from the great northwest. hel start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, nde'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. dennis: over 100 companies are paying special dividend. this is before the tax rate on dividends could more than double in january. liz macdonald is here. >> already munis has downgraded nearly a third. borrowed money to issue special dividend. in other words, do it before tte end of the year. in fact, half of the deals out there, in october, worked for special dividend. i will tell you so
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we're taxing or capital, taxes our seed corn. how you will that affect all this? >> that means you don't get to your gdp, but you have good things going on in housing. if you look at the core logic numbers this past month, that's very encouraging. in the face of all this, we have four years highs in consumer confidence. to me there are pockets in the manufacturing sector that have siege a resurgence, construction, grid repair, a lot of these power energy management solutions, kind of making these more efficient, if you will. there are some areas that will do better next year. that's where you want to investivities let's put the fiscal cliff aside, because they are not going to let the tax cuts expire. i'm here, i've been in politics for a long time. they won't do it. where would you invest? you sound pretty optimistic. where would you invest? >> i would say this, this fiscal inclusiver cliff, you have to use the weakness to buy. you're not chasing the strength. housing for sure, but i would also say go to where the companies reported in the third quarter, where di
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you said he should propose lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 30%. what's your rationale behind that? >> well, i have rationales both substantive and political. substantive, i think it is the right thing to do. i've spoken to a lot of economists about this over the years. even many liberal economists would agree that the corporate tax rate of 35% in this country is too high. it is higher than in most other -- i think every other advanced country. now it has to be done, obviously, the lowering would have to be done with closing loot of the loopholes that corporations take advantage of. 26 major corporations last year paid no federal income tax at all. so that nonsense has to be done away with. but substantively, many economists think it is a good idea to lower the corporate tax rate. politically, i think it further hems the republicans in. i think it gives obama even higher political ground than he has now. he already has political high ground. he already has a strong position. he may not even have to do this politically. but i think that this would s
you said he should propose lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 30%. what's your rationale behind that? >> well, i have rationales both substantive and political. substantive, i think it is the right thing to do. i've spoken to a lot of economists about this over the years. even many liberal economists would agree that the corporate tax rate of 35% in this country is too high. it is higher than in most other -- i think every other advanced country. now it has to be done, obviously,...
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obama says raiding taxes on upper -- raising taxes on upper income americans is not going to fix the problem that the country is facing. >> even the president got the tax rate hike he wanted understand we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen, washington has got a spending problem, not a re-knew problem. >> for many top democrats it's all about taxes and not spending cuts in averting the fiscal cliff. >> the facts are at that point the 39.6% does produce the revenue. the differentiation between 39.6% and the 28% at that the president has for limitation on deduction creates a great deal of money as well. >> one conservative financial commentator suggests the likely outcome of the fiscal cliff talks won't be the end of the world. >> we will have taxes that are the same as the taxes were under bill clinton. we did find that we will do fine. >> the question is whether the negotiations will lead to making other tough choices such as washington getting a handle on the growth of government. if not, the european example seems to suggest fiscal t
obama says raiding taxes on upper -- raising taxes on upper income americans is not going to fix the problem that the country is facing. >> even the president got the tax rate hike he wanted understand we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen, washington has got a spending problem, not a re-knew problem. >> for many top democrats it's all about taxes and not spending cuts in averting the fiscal cliff. >> the facts are at that...
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and there is no net rise in taxes today. any taxes increased are offset by taxes cut. mr. speaker, in last year's autumn statement we committed the government to maintain the same pace of consolidation for two further years beyond the end of the current spending review into 2015 and 2016-'17. in this year's autumn statement, we extend the consolidation for one further year into 2017-'18. the obr projects that as a result the share of national income spent by the state will fall from almost 48% of gdp in 2009-'10 to 39.5% by 2017-'18. the document shows total managed expenditure will continue to fall and will now be 4.6 billion lower in 2017-'18 than if it had been held flat in real terms. no decision to cut spending is ever easy, but those who object must explain whether instead they would have higher taxes or higher borrowing or both. i also provide further detail of the consolidation plans for 2015-'16, the last year of this parliament. i said two years ago that the correct balance for our fiscal consolidation between spending and tax should be 80 clash 20. i -- 80/20. i
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adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. the white house wants 50 billion in new spending next year alone in a long-term deal that is supposed to be about cutting spending. >> not even $400 billion in cuts and they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount theye willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. >> the president may have the upper hand because the fiscal cliff tops allow him to back the opposition into a corner by framing this as republicans raising taxes. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january 1st. that is sort of like a lump of coal you get for christmas. >> congressional democrats operating like they don't have to compromise on spending or taxes. >> elections have consequences. the president campaigned, made it very clear. made very clear thathe was supporting tax cuts for the middle-class, that he wanted the expiration of the tax cuts for the high end. >> very little progress among the inside player so fa
adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. the white house wants 50 billion in new spending next year alone in a long-term deal that is supposed to be about cutting spending. >> not even $400 billion in cuts and they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount theye willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. >> the president may have the upper hand because the fiscal cliff tops allow him to back the opposition into a corner by framing this as...
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or taxes might be taxed. and there is a principle involved. is there a principle or bloody minded news. we shall not pay anymore taxes ever. >> at some point there is just too much tax. we are a long way from that. let's look at earned income tax. they are lower now. all president obama is doing is saying let's go from 35% to 39.6% the same as it was under president clinton the economy did very well and it is more than just a drop in the bucket. just raising rates on people making over $250,000 would be a trillion dollar over the next ten years. >> $1 trillion is not to be sniffed at. some broke with the leadership and urged his party to extend the tax cuts to ensure that their taxes don't go up. he has a point there. who cares. >> sure, there is a point in there, i might dispute the numbers. i would argue, as the members of my party, that we have a spending problem as opposed to a revenue problem to my friend steve's remark about the clinton tax rates that sounds great to go back to 39%. but, actually, those
or taxes might be taxed. and there is a principle involved. is there a principle or bloody minded news. we shall not pay anymore taxes ever. >> at some point there is just too much tax. we are a long way from that. let's look at earned income tax. they are lower now. all president obama is doing is saying let's go from 35% to 39.6% the same as it was under president clinton the economy did very well and it is more than just a drop in the bucket. just raising rates on people making over...
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you want to talk about paying taxes and your fair share? they're a tax-exempt 501c5 organization. where is ed asner's rage about their escaping and evading their fair share of taxes? i don't hear it. also, let's have a balance. if they're going to show this in the california classrooms, how about an eight-minute video narrated by clint eastwood or my favorite right thinking actor adam baldwin that exposes the truth about occupy and the teachers alliance? they have to make up this urinating image? well, you've got occupiers who have been pooping on police cars. show that to the school kids. >> sean: well said. michelle malkin. great points. thank you for being with us. >> you bet, take care. >>> >> sean: coming up next, liz cheney on the breaking news out of syria. the government stands ready to use sarin nerve gas on its own people. a senior firm confirmed this to fox news. >>> women in egypt are fearing for their lives as sex mobs are preying on the public. the situation is getting dispratt. where is the outrage and the support from the feminists who screamed about the so-called
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it seems each tax figured on the gross pay after the first one becomes a tax on a tax. guest: you are right that social security taxes are applied based on the total amount of income in terms of your wage income or paycheck. i did not totally understand the second part of the question, but i would say it serves a security payroll taxes are important. they are regressive. they are a flat tax on wages. the other problem with social security taxes is other areas are not subject to social security taxes. income from investments are not subject to that. it used to be 90% of one's income was taxed by social security or hit by the payroll tax. now we're looking at 85%. it will go down to 80%. that is problematic for some security. we looked at how you can make sure more income is hit by social security. it makes things more progressive because it tends to hit people at the higher end rather than the lower end. host: does simpson-bowles eliminate drug pricing? guest: it does not specifically. there have been some changes so that the doughnut hole idea is supposed to go away, bu
it seems each tax figured on the gross pay after the first one becomes a tax on a tax. guest: you are right that social security taxes are applied based on the total amount of income in terms of your wage income or paycheck. i did not totally understand the second part of the question, but i would say it serves a security payroll taxes are important. they are regressive. they are a flat tax on wages. the other problem with social security taxes is other areas are not subject to social security...
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but you don't have to wait for the tax hikes. $317 billion in new taxes. set to kick in january 1st. and we will show you the latest tax increase brought to you by the people who created obamacare . get ready for armageddon. is america reelly headed to help? is there any way to stop the document author of after america, mark stein joins me next. ♪ ♪ lou: welcome all fundamental dishonesty at the heart of america's financial crisis. my next guest saas americans really seems of want a european size government with current american size tax rates. one or the other has got to go. we will see. joining us now, author of the best seller, get ready for armageddon. also, a recording of -- i will explain my laughter. his new holiday cd, making spirits bright available on the amazon and itunes. i am trying to think how to do it. >> the words stuck in your throat. lou: it is terrific. it is wonderful. here to prove the point, and it's ggod to have you. i wish you lots of luck. by the way, s t eyn. that's right. and i got it covered. >> that's right. why do i have
but you don't have to wait for the tax hikes. $317 billion in new taxes. set to kick in january 1st. and we will show you the latest tax increase brought to you by the people who created obamacare . get ready for armageddon. is america reelly headed to help? is there any way to stop the document author of after america, mark stein joins me next. ♪ ♪ lou: welcome all fundamental dishonesty at the heart of america's financial crisis. my next guest saas americans really seems of want a...
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he raised taxes 6 billion. he didn't go to voters without doing everything he could to make pension reform changes or substantial cuts. i'm not sure that happened in washington. i do not believe this is open door policy and every tax will be passed. people said this is one-time important event. cutting universities in particular will threaten our innovation. neil: i never buy temporary. i never buy temporary, do you? >> seven years temporary? neil: i worry about that we can argue over that. my point is the fiscal cliff will be avoided if both parties realize that america's survival depends on them giving up something important to them. neil: but if only one side gives up, governor, that's what i worry about. >> there won't be a deal. there won't be a deal if only one side gives up. neil: well that is a point. where do we go the end. year and it goes kablooey. is it the end of the year? >> it will be and a recession will ensue. neil: do you think democrat might secretly want that? >> well, if so, i don't want it
he raised taxes 6 billion. he didn't go to voters without doing everything he could to make pension reform changes or substantial cuts. i'm not sure that happened in washington. i do not believe this is open door policy and every tax will be passed. people said this is one-time important event. cutting universities in particular will threaten our innovation. neil: i never buy temporary. i never buy temporary, do you? >> seven years temporary? neil: i worry about that we can argue over...
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they are heaping on tax on top of tax to finance obamacare. i do not see this is social engineering. when the republicans say they are going to hold the line on raising rates? they are going to keep the regular rates where they are, we still have this surtax on the rates. the payroll tax goes up. we appreciate it. we will get you back soon. january 1st, is when it begins folks. anyway, will president obama have the courage to end the strike at two california ports that are scrare crippling the w economy? that is next up. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. >>> cnbc's jane wells joins us now with the latest. >> they say it is not about the money. federal mediate or has been hir. ships are backing up. companies like home depot say it
they are heaping on tax on top of tax to finance obamacare. i do not see this is social engineering. when the republicans say they are going to hold the line on raising rates? they are going to keep the regular rates where they are, we still have this surtax on the rates. the payroll tax goes up. we appreciate it. we will get you back soon. january 1st, is when it begins folks. anyway, will president obama have the courage to end the strike at two california ports that are scrare crippling the...
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all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take that deal, but let's pass the tax cuts for the middle class and we're talking about making sure that tax rates for 98% of all americans and 97% of all businesses. it's a small percentage of individuals that make more than $250,000 a year that tax rates would go up just a little bit. we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reduci
all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take...
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he said, let's lower tax rates, but expand the tax base. you put that on the table for the president. that is at least the second time. host: and what the polls would be taken out? guest: it depends on the process that they go trooper -- they go through the biggest loopholes are by far the exclusion for health insurance. if you are going to design a system from scratch, intertwined the health insurance system with the tax system. we cannot change it overnight and expect it not to collapse. we would need to create some kind of credit for individual health insurance. we should not be taxing savings. you can exempt savings or exempt the yield you get from savings. we would not close that again for raising revenue. it comes down to the political process as to how you are going to get rates lower. but again, the offer is out there from speaker pena. the president has not taken them upon -- speaker dana. the president has not taken empirin. but treasury secretary geithner was on abc this week. let's take a look. [video clip] >> i think we are mak
he said, let's lower tax rates, but expand the tax base. you put that on the table for the president. that is at least the second time. host: and what the polls would be taken out? guest: it depends on the process that they go trooper -- they go through the biggest loopholes are by far the exclusion for health insurance. if you are going to design a system from scratch, intertwined the health insurance system with the tax system. we cannot change it overnight and expect it not to collapse. we...
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democrats only want to raise taxes on the top 2% and extend the bush tax cuts for everyone else. what they might agree on, cutting deductions. the middle class' most cherished tax break could be in the crosshairs of the fiscal cliff negotiations. we're talking about the mortgage interest deduction. it's been around for 99 years, but it's costing the government $80 billion this year and will reach $100 billion by 2014 making it the third largest tax expenditure according to the congressional research service. who is it really helping in the most recent irs tax data show 41 million people claim this deduction on their 2010 taxes, but the tax policy center points out it tends to benefit upper middle class families the most. for those with annual incomes of less than $40,000 a year, the average tax savings is just 91 bucks. for the people earning $250,000 a year, the annual tax savings runs about $5,500, and critics say it's not really helping to boost homeownership. going to talk to one of them in a moment. the homeownership rate in the u.s. is now about 65%. it was up near 70% duri
democrats only want to raise taxes on the top 2% and extend the bush tax cuts for everyone else. what they might agree on, cutting deductions. the middle class' most cherished tax break could be in the crosshairs of the fiscal cliff negotiations. we're talking about the mortgage interest deduction. it's been around for 99 years, but it's costing the government $80 billion this year and will reach $100 billion by 2014 making it the third largest tax expenditure according to the congressional...
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but what i want to tell you is that ronald reagan agreed to tax reform that led to lower tax rates but also higher tax revenues from rich folks because it got rid of loopholes and deductions. >> stephen: you lower tax rates, revenues get higher. i already said that earlier. >> it's a complicated thing. >> stephen: it's not complicated lower/higher. >> you can get revenue gains from making it cleaner and fairer and more transparent and that's what republicans --. >> stephen: wait, simplifying the tax code, closing loopholes, is that not raising taxes? are those two things different? >> you have hit on a very tricky and important issue, stephen, which is that, yes, there's a way to raise average tax rates on high earners without raising the marginal tax rate on high earners. >> stephen: wow, i'm interested in what you just said and yet it's incrediblebly boring at the same time. (laughter) >> fair enough. i'm trying to say that you can industrial a 35% top rate and say wait a second, rich people are not able to take the same kind of deductions that take take under today's tax code. >> st
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as i just indicated, it includes a $2 trillion tax increase over ten years, the biggest real-dollar tax increase in u.s. history. it increases taxes on nearly one million small businesses in the middle of a jobs crisis. according to ernst & young, this type of rate hike would cause more than 700,000 americans to lose their jobs. it raises taxes on investment income, harming economic growth even more. it includes tens of billions of dollars in more washington spending in a deal supposedly to cut the deficit. and most outrageous of all, it gives the president of the united states unilateral power to raise the limit on the federal credit card, the so-called debt ceiling, whenever he wants or as much as he wants. and while i'm flattered the administration has taken to calling this the -- quote -- "mcconnell provision" they seemed to have forgotten how this worked in the budget control act. we gave the president the authority then to request a debt ceiling increase, but that was only after the white house agreed to $2 trillion in cuts to washington spending and agreed to be bound by the timi
as i just indicated, it includes a $2 trillion tax increase over ten years, the biggest real-dollar tax increase in u.s. history. it increases taxes on nearly one million small businesses in the middle of a jobs crisis. according to ernst & young, this type of rate hike would cause more than 700,000 americans to lose their jobs. it raises taxes on investment income, harming economic growth even more. it includes tens of billions of dollars in more washington spending in a deal supposedly to...
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that is higher taxes, raising tax rates, and taxes on investment income. at least $50 million in new stimul spending in the next fiscal year alone. mind you, of course, the repubcans looking for spending ts as an offset to their agreement to raise taxes. the only spending cuts in the plan come from cutting medicare and other programs by 400 billion over the coming decade. timothy geithner also requesting the equivant of a permanent increase in the national debt limit. president obama remarkably consistent in his intent to raise taxes on the top 2% of taxpayers. half of those are small-business men and women. the entire election season, he did say a number of times since being reelected, and he's not backing off. e president and his baath insist on higher taxes for the so-called wealthy. remarkably, republicans seem surprised by secrery geithner. chief correspondent ed henry with our repor reporter: optimism faded as timothy geithner let the republicans to decle the talks are going nowhere. >> i'm disappointed. i'm disappnted in where we are and what has ha
that is higher taxes, raising tax rates, and taxes on investment income. at least $50 million in new stimul spending in the next fiscal year alone. mind you, of course, the repubcans looking for spending ts as an offset to their agreement to raise taxes. the only spending cuts in the plan come from cutting medicare and other programs by 400 billion over the coming decade. timothy geithner also requesting the equivant of a permanent increase in the national debt limit. president obama remarkably...
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taxed. the basic understanding night can taxpayer now, they earned the right to be this cynical, is that whatever is said during these kinds of negotiations, in the end everybody pays. megyn: we have seen so much jockeying in washington back and forth between the white house and house republicans. eve one offers a deal the other side says is totally unacceptable and a non-starter. president obama just sat down for an interview with bloomberg and says the tax rates -- the republicans say don't raise rates. but let's close out loopholes and get rid of deductions. all you should care about is how much revenue you are getting. why do you care fit' a rate or deduction. increase the revenue. president obama says no i need rates to go up on the rich. now he's saying rates have to go up. they have to go up on the rich. but then we can talk about lower them again next year. we'll chat. we'll have more time then we can discuss the loopholes abductional earn tough deductions to rates. >> we are 400 day
taxed. the basic understanding night can taxpayer now, they earned the right to be this cynical, is that whatever is said during these kinds of negotiations, in the end everybody pays. megyn: we have seen so much jockeying in washington back and forth between the white house and house republicans. eve one offers a deal the other side says is totally unacceptable and a non-starter. president obama just sat down for an interview with bloomberg and says the tax rates -- the republicans say don't...
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>> well, don't tax you, don't tax me, tax the guy behind the tree. >> paul: russell long, former late senator. >> exactly. and what you see here are very wealthy people who can, you know, engineer ways to avoid taxes, meanwhile, what he's-- the medicine he's suggesting for people who are starting to do better, people who say, make $200,000, maybe working their whole life. they're the ones who are going to get hit with the obama taxes and really, i mean, you look at that and you think a normal human being with, you know, would be ashamed of that lack of intellectual honesty, should be. >> it's fascinating economic dri that costco is borrowing the money to pay this dividend. now, usually when companies pay dividends, it's out of earnings, right? >> yes, retained earnings, in this case, they're borrowing, taking on more debt, not to invest in the business in the future growth, but for a one-time equity pay out. >> and to worry about interest rates are low thanks to ben bernanke. >>, but this shows the tax rates combined with very low bore heing costs and instead of investing in growth, y
>> well, don't tax you, don't tax me, tax the guy behind the tree. >> paul: russell long, former late senator. >> exactly. and what you see here are very wealthy people who can, you know, engineer ways to avoid taxes, meanwhile, what he's-- the medicine he's suggesting for people who are starting to do better, people who say, make $200,000, maybe working their whole life. they're the ones who are going to get hit with the obama taxes and really, i mean, you look at that and...
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it never has been a tax issue. we have the same amount of revenue coming in in 2012 tat we had in 2007, but we spend a trillion dollars more per year now th we did five years ago. thiss a spending issue. gerri: spending or revenue, that is, the amount of money taken in by the federal government has recovered, and it's doing much better. >> right. gerri: turning your tarns to a conversation going on for days lately. the most recent adherent oklahoma congressman tom cole saying, look, republicans need to compromise. they need to keep tax cuts in place forpeople earning $250,000 and less. heays it's time to make a change and now people on the hill saying that the g.o.p. is splintering. what do you say? >> that's not true. actually, what tom was trying to say was it's a tax call thing. tom is against raising taxes on any level. he's against raising taxes on all folks, but have agreement with the president onhis group that's $250,000 and less, clear the table and make the bracket.ions in the upper he's against raising r
it never has been a tax issue. we have the same amount of revenue coming in in 2012 tat we had in 2007, but we spend a trillion dollars more per year now th we did five years ago. thiss a spending issue. gerri: spending or revenue, that is, the amount of money taken in by the federal government has recovered, and it's doing much better. >> right. gerri: turning your tarns to a conversation going on for days lately. the most recent adherent oklahoma congressman tom cole saying, look,...
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tax dead? we'll see. forbes doesn't think so. there's a news conference along with washington lawmakers to push for the flat tax. he joins us later this hour. liz: first, what drove the marketings for today's data download. stocks ending lower, struggling for direction most of the day, unable to hold gains trading lower. i think it was 79 times. health care and industrials were today's top performing sectors and telecomo lagged. the euro extending the gains versus the dollar, rallying to a near seven week high against the green back after greece announced its debt buy back terms. euro rose to a $1131. that's high historically. action in the metals. silver, platinum, all sinking more than 1%. silver was today's biggest loser dropping nearly p 3% to settle at $32.81 an ounce. david: markets hopping, but the next trader says investor participation is shifting. in chicago, larry, the key question here is what happens when the market gets off its hind legs and moves? move up or down? >> it all depen
tax dead? we'll see. forbes doesn't think so. there's a news conference along with washington lawmakers to push for the flat tax. he joins us later this hour. liz: first, what drove the marketings for today's data download. stocks ending lower, struggling for direction most of the day, unable to hold gains trading lower. i think it was 79 times. health care and industrials were today's top performing sectors and telecomo lagged. the euro extending the gains versus the dollar, rallying to a near...
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taxes, you have been paid sales taxes or hidden taxes, so in the end in big states, people will be paying 60 -- a minimum of 60 cents of every dollar they make to the government. and i ask you, after every american is finished paying their fair share, how much of every dollar should they be allowed to keep, juan? and i want a direct answer. don't dodge, don't duck. what is fair? >> i don't duck. i always am straight with you, sean because i think you deserve an honest answer. number one, we are talking about federal taxation. if you want to have a argument with your county or city government, new york city and westchester county or long island go have it. >> you are not answering. >> but if you are talking about federal tax, right i'm saying to you i between between 35 and 39 is totally good. >> but that's not addressing it. wait a second. this is not a small issue. after somebody pace their federal, their state, their social security, their property, their car tax, their sales tax, after they are done giving the government their fair share, state, local, federal, what is fair? give me a
taxes, you have been paid sales taxes or hidden taxes, so in the end in big states, people will be paying 60 -- a minimum of 60 cents of every dollar they make to the government. and i ask you, after every american is finished paying their fair share, how much of every dollar should they be allowed to keep, juan? and i want a direct answer. don't dodge, don't duck. what is fair? >> i don't duck. i always am straight with you, sean because i think you deserve an honest answer. number one,...
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tax rates. congress could enact a program of tax reform that would lower rates and eliminate interest reductions. the president could open up more federal lands and offshore areas for energy exploration. his administration could take a more balanced approach to new regulations. economic growth can help solve our fiscal problems if the economy had grown at the percentage as it has done in the past. the treasury could have collected an additional 650 billion dollars in fiscal year 2012. the deficit that would have fallen. still bad, but remarkably better than where we find ourselves today. republicans stand ready to work with president obama for a balanced and bipartisan solution. so far, no evidence of that. let's create a long-term solution that does not burden individuals and gives businesses optimism to go forward and invest in the american economy. then the economy can grow for all citizens. i look forward to the testimony of our witnesses. >> thank you. i will introduce our two witnesses. dr
tax rates. congress could enact a program of tax reform that would lower rates and eliminate interest reductions. the president could open up more federal lands and offshore areas for energy exploration. his administration could take a more balanced approach to new regulations. economic growth can help solve our fiscal problems if the economy had grown at the percentage as it has done in the past. the treasury could have collected an additional 650 billion dollars in fiscal year 2012. the...
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the current payroll tax cut is set to expire december 31st. in dollars and cents this means your payroll tax withholding is going from 4.2% to 6.2%. now why is this happening? many of the policies expiring at the end of the year like the payroll tax cut and emergency unemployment benefits were originally passed on a temporary basis. the thinking was that the economy would be in much better shape by now and the policies could expire without causing a recession. >> you can learn more any time at www.wusa9.com and on 9 news. this has been a 9 news fiscal cliff note. >>> sources tell the associated press president obama will ask the congress for $50 billion in the aftermath of superstorm sandy. now the late october storm was one of the worst to ever hit the northeast section of the country and out in crisfield, maryland, along the eastern shore there's plenty of debris out there. homeowners are still working to repair damage and waiting for any form of federal aid they can get. >>> one maryland community wants to take major action against a plant.
the current payroll tax cut is set to expire december 31st. in dollars and cents this means your payroll tax withholding is going from 4.2% to 6.2%. now why is this happening? many of the policies expiring at the end of the year like the payroll tax cut and emergency unemployment benefits were originally passed on a temporary basis. the thinking was that the economy would be in much better shape by now and the policies could expire without causing a recession. >> you can learn more any...
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when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then individuals who have been filing their businesses as s-corporations or pass-through corporations can incorporate and get that lower rate. they can negotiate on the individual rates. >> so you don't think the ordinary income, then, the 39.6% that we're talking about, in that case, would apply to small business. they would fall under the corporate tax rate. >> yes, exactly. people forget that until 1986, corporate and individual rates were separate. a big part of the '86 act was to equalize them. there's a big difference between 2012 and 1986. only 17% of our economy was related to trade in '86. last year in
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second, state and local taxes paid. that's just a tax shift. instead of raising taxes on you by simply raising them on you, we raise them on you by making our state and local tax bill higher. it'll pound on high tax cities on states which means it'll hit the cities and states by making them less attractive places for people to live. there a political veilance here too. all ten of the highest tax states wept for president obama in 2012 and eight of the lowest tax states were for romney. that would be a particularly tough tax for blue states. them. charitable contributions. this is the most sensitive to tax incentives. you have to live somewhere, you need a home and it is hard it move it a new state because taxes went up. you don't need to give to charity. people give to charity because they want to and also, let's be real, because the government encourages through the tax code. it is reported in bloomberg in 2009 households with incomes of more than $200,000 claimed almost $60 billion in charitable deductions or 20% of total charitable giving in
second, state and local taxes paid. that's just a tax shift. instead of raising taxes on you by simply raising them on you, we raise them on you by making our state and local tax bill higher. it'll pound on high tax cities on states which means it'll hit the cities and states by making them less attractive places for people to live. there a political veilance here too. all ten of the highest tax states wept for president obama in 2012 and eight of the lowest tax states were for romney. that...
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it is supported by the payroll taxes. that workers and their employers pay. >> you have seen, surveys that show the direct we're going, we -- the direction we're going we have moved its trouble date up, compared to other programs, that is prestine, my only point is why not put it out there, why not put out medicare, and medicaid and everything, and for republican defense, everything, and rather than pick and choose. >> whether defense, medicare, medicaid, those are out of general revenues, they are in a defendant category. social security, does nida, just need adjustments, it should not be part of solves will deficit. neil: i think what is intrinsic. is what you are not saying. that we're missing an opportunity to address the overall rate of money coming in and money going out. if you want to leave social security alone, and just look at all of other entitlements and big spending and hear, they say focus it has to be on taxes, i'm not here is a they don't raise taxes on the rich. the elects do have consequences that is on
it is supported by the payroll taxes. that workers and their employers pay. >> you have seen, surveys that show the direct we're going, we -- the direction we're going we have moved its trouble date up, compared to other programs, that is prestine, my only point is why not put it out there, why not put out medicare, and medicaid and everything, and for republican defense, everything, and rather than pick and choose. >> whether defense, medicare, medicaid, those are out of general...
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tax rates. it may be just tax rates higher for those making half a million a year, i think they'll retreat a little bit. >> i think, too, what i'd like to see the republicans do, i'd like to see them pass a bill extending tax cuts below $250,000 and everyone agrees those should be put through and then put through another bill that extends the tax cuts on those $250,000 and above and let the democrats take ownership because you know, they're going to be held responsible for the economic performance of 2013 and come 2014, you can actually get a political change that might make a difference. stuart: we'll wait and see on that one. art laffer, always a pleasure. >> bye now. stuart: the republicans submit their fiscal cliff solution. now, that plan put out by speaker boehner, includes 800 billion dollars in extra tax revenues and that would come from limiting deductions and not from higher tax rates. and there would also be 1.2 trillion dollars worth of spending cuts and the white house immediately d
tax rates. it may be just tax rates higher for those making half a million a year, i think they'll retreat a little bit. >> i think, too, what i'd like to see the republicans do, i'd like to see them pass a bill extending tax cuts below $250,000 and everyone agrees those should be put through and then put through another bill that extends the tax cuts on those $250,000 and above and let the democrats take ownership because you know, they're going to be held responsible for the economic...
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that is 98% of the american people, getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. so my suggestion -- it was delivered, by the way, in private and leaked and put in public. but that's fine. i mean, it's certainly what i said. my suggestion was let's take the one area that we agree and take it off the table. >> and -- but just to be clear, though, you actually think -- because this is when i saw your comment what i was so curious about, just from a negotiating standpoint. we had the super committee that failed, now we have the fiscal cliff, right? and if those sorts of deadlines aren't enough to get a deal, if you actually were -- were going to break with your own party or say go ahead, we'll extend them for the middle class, do you actually think that you would be able to negotiate a deal where they didn't go up on the top 2% at the beginning of the year? >> you might be able to negotiate that deal. again, i think a lot of people misunderstand, you know, what's happening with the 98%. number one, i don't think you ever ought to use the american people as, quote, l
that is 98% of the american people, getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. so my suggestion -- it was delivered, by the way, in private and leaked and put in public. but that's fine. i mean, it's certainly what i said. my suggestion was let's take the one area that we agree and take it off the table. >> and -- but just to be clear, though, you actually think -- because this is when i saw your comment what i was so curious about, just from a negotiating...
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tax the rich first. obama, if he got his taxes on the rich, is still $8 trillion short over the next decade. that's where the energy taxes he's going to present and the value added tax that ultimately turns us into a european welfare state only of that can pay for obama's sized government. >> wow. grover, unfortunately we have to leave it there. our discussion of unicorns will continue, i'm sure, at least up until december 31st. thank you for joining us today as always. >> you got it. >> after the break, offer ver ses counteroffer. we will break both down with ezra klein when he joins us next on "now." i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our env
tax the rich first. obama, if he got his taxes on the rich, is still $8 trillion short over the next decade. that's where the energy taxes he's going to present and the value added tax that ultimately turns us into a european welfare state only of that can pay for obama's sized government. >> wow. grover, unfortunately we have to leave it there. our discussion of unicorns will continue, i'm sure, at least up until december 31st. thank you for joining us today as always. >> you got...
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and moreover the threat to increase taxes in 2013, taxes on difficult dengeds would be about give or take 44%. and this year dividend would be taxed at 15. so that's a big incentive to pay difficult dejds early. and that's what we did. we paid them in 2012. >> yeah, you moved up a dividend. you would have paid in january for december. but you also added 1.14 a share in a special dividend in which will borrow money to pay. why do a special dividend on top of your regular accelerated dividend? >> we did it one, to share with our shareholders. some of the good fortune and profits that we have had over the years. we've been extremely profitable company. normally we keep money back to make acquisitions. but we thought that we could afford to pay $1.14 dividen and it wouldn't impinge upon our ability to grow, to make acquisitions or to constrain the company in any way. heico is not a capital constrained company. some people suggested we pay more than $1.14, maybe 2 boy 50. >> was that unconsideration. >> it was under consideration because in our dividend policy we consider many different s
and moreover the threat to increase taxes in 2013, taxes on difficult dengeds would be about give or take 44%. and this year dividend would be taxed at 15. so that's a big incentive to pay difficult dejds early. and that's what we did. we paid them in 2012. >> yeah, you moved up a dividend. you would have paid in january for december. but you also added 1.14 a share in a special dividend in which will borrow money to pay. why do a special dividend on top of your regular accelerated...
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it's not like folks who make more than 250 aren't getting a tax break, they've getting a tax break on the first 250, just like everybody else. >> congressman cole first said this in a closed door meeting with republicans yesterday. he said basically exactly what president obama just said and he then expanded on his comments instead of denying them or refusing to comment at all, which he could have done. house speaker john boehner, who needs other loyal republicans to start talking sense to crazy tea party, he was outraged by his suggestion. >> you're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. we're willing to put revenue on the table as long as we're not raising rates. >> but that didn't stop congressman cole from going on hardball today continuing to sell the idea of making peace with the president for the sake of 98% of american taxpayers. >> if the president's willing to accept 80% of the bush tax cuts for 98% of the american people and make them permanent, i think that is a point we should agree op. >> tom cole also made it clear he is still a boehn
it's not like folks who make more than 250 aren't getting a tax break, they've getting a tax break on the first 250, just like everybody else. >> congressman cole first said this in a closed door meeting with republicans yesterday. he said basically exactly what president obama just said and he then expanded on his comments instead of denying them or refusing to comment at all, which he could have done. house speaker john boehner, who needs other loyal republicans to start talking sense...
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tax. it's generally seen by economists as less damaging than an income tax, it's also more regress i, meaning because it's basically like a sales tax and can be applied to things like food, it will hit lower income people more than upper income people, that's why a lot of democrats don't want to adopt it, even though it's a good way to raise a lot of revenue and crow ating the social welfare state. host: if you had to propredict what's going to happen between now and the end of the year, what would you say? guest: i have a feeling they're very close. host: but congress went home yesterday. guest: the people who matter are here. the aides to boehner and obama are here. they're still working. there are times when even this week thail get frustrated -- they'll get frustrated and stop talking to each other, so i'm not sure if they're talking to each other today or not. but obama said he thinks this could be done in a week and enge he's right. host: there's a feeling about that on the hill? gue
tax. it's generally seen by economists as less damaging than an income tax, it's also more regress i, meaning because it's basically like a sales tax and can be applied to things like food, it will hit lower income people more than upper income people, that's why a lot of democrats don't want to adopt it, even though it's a good way to raise a lot of revenue and crow ating the social welfare state. host: if you had to propredict what's going to happen between now and the end of the year, what...
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they like taxes? >> it's a pledge not to increase taxes. people say why don't you toughen it. you don't want to change it because it is a simple guardrail. it doesn't solve the world's problems, it says no net tax increase. >> in your mind when someone signs it, how long are they committed to it? >> in writing when the person signs it as long as you are a congressman or senator. >> you are signing this for life? >> unless you intend to be a congressman for all of your life. >> a career decision. >> if someone tells you they are pro-life or pro-choice, is this 18 months or a year? how long are you pro-choice? you are telling someone who you are. i'm the kind of guy who is pro- choice or pro-life. two people have brought that up. latourette who decided to leave congress he said yeah i made that promise a long time ago and i went into district and talked about banks and mortgage. mortgage, that was 20 years ago. you are still sending me letters. people make a commitment. it's an easy simple commitment an
they like taxes? >> it's a pledge not to increase taxes. people say why don't you toughen it. you don't want to change it because it is a simple guardrail. it doesn't solve the world's problems, it says no net tax increase. >> in your mind when someone signs it, how long are they committed to it? >> in writing when the person signs it as long as you are a congressman or senator. >> you are signing this for life? >> unless you intend to be a congressman for all of...
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tax cuts, big tax cuts for rich people started under george w. bush and then we had the biggest economic collapse since the great depression. what does that tell you? >> stephanie: why can't they ever acknowledge that? they ran away from bush. no one campaigned on george bush. they must know his policies didn't work. why are they pretending they did? >> he wasn't even at the convention. >> memory hole. >> stephanie: gee, who was really front and center of our campaign? bill clinton! kind of weird. >> good president. >> stephanie: mary in pennsylvania. hi mary. >> caller: hi, there. i love your show. didn't start watching it until late in the campaign. and i feel like i found a wonderful friend. >> stephanie: aww. >> caller: my question is grover cleveland -- >> stephanie: his ideas are just as fresh. [ laughter ] >> caller: exactly. if he think the average career only lasts 25 years has he signed up all of those people to the pledge 20 years ago shouldn't we be getting ready to throw him a retirement party pretty soon? >> stephanie: yeah, one wou
tax cuts, big tax cuts for rich people started under george w. bush and then we had the biggest economic collapse since the great depression. what does that tell you? >> stephanie: why can't they ever acknowledge that? they ran away from bush. no one campaigned on george bush. they must know his policies didn't work. why are they pretending they did? >> he wasn't even at the convention. >> memory hole. >> stephanie: gee, who was really front and center of our campaign?...
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not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax. not any of your taxes. the article goes on. this man's firm pledges aren't worth too much, are they? it's worth -- if only to marvel at the sheer hypocrisy. congressional budget office determined that millions of americans will bet socked by the obamacare mandate. 80% of whom are middle income citizens. nearly six million americans, significantly more than first estimated, will face a tax penalty. under president barack obama's health overhaul for not getting insurance. congressional analysts said wednesday. most would be in the middle class. the new estimate amounts to an inconvenient fact for the administration, a reminder of what critics see as broken promises. and the budget office analyst -- analysis found that nearly 80% of those who will face a penalty will be making up to or less than five times the federal prompt level. currently that will work out to $55,50 or less for an -- 55,050 or less for an vidge or average penalty about $1,200 in 2016. and it goes on to point out c.b.o. has also said there
not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax. not any of your taxes. the article goes on. this man's firm pledges aren't worth too much, are they? it's worth -- if only to marvel at the sheer hypocrisy. congressional budget office determined that millions of americans will bet socked by the obamacare mandate. 80% of whom are middle income citizens. nearly six million americans, significantly more than first estimated, will face a tax penalty. under president barack...
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higher taxes hurt economic growth. people say it doesn't hurt it and they are saying of all the possible answers i will pick the extreme one, which is zero. what is most iportant? millions are out of work, we have incomes that have not grown but they have fallen. i would think growth is the priority. >>neil: is that going do mean more dividends next year to make up for the tax hit they will face? will they still cash out with the dividends? isn't that going do lead to a market tank? >>guest: one of the things, what we are seeing right now is the first evidence that companies' investors know the fiscal cliff is coming and when we get closer that is when the market will tank. >>neil: take your money and run. >>guest: for political pumps folks are willing to go over. that is dangerous much next year if we go over the cliff, all bets are off and we are in a recession. >>neil: you are not competent? >>guest: i don't like the way this is going. this is not two parties sitting down and saying we have a serious national proble
higher taxes hurt economic growth. people say it doesn't hurt it and they are saying of all the possible answers i will pick the extreme one, which is zero. what is most iportant? millions are out of work, we have incomes that have not grown but they have fallen. i would think growth is the priority. >>neil: is that going do mean more dividends next year to make up for the tax hit they will face? will they still cash out with the dividends? isn't that going do lead to a market tank?...
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that includes a 3.8% tax for obamacare. taxes go on and on. so what are advisors telling their clients? the answer is maybe not so much. rick adelman joins me now. this is a letter you wrote your clients. when i thought was interesting about it is that you don't get a ton of direct advice here. at th end of the day come you don't know what's going to happen. >> that's right, i'm an advisor who can devise because we don't know what the devices would be yet. we have a month before the end of the year. we knew it was going to happen as of january 1, we would be able to say definitively let's capture capital gains and save ourselves money. order, it's definitely no necessary. for the moment, we are saying that we are preparing. we are examining every client accounts so that we are ready to make a move if needed. let's not pull the trigger to set. gerri: one of the things people are concerned about, dividends and dividend paying stocks. wifi on? by southern? what you make of that debate? that is obamacare and that is the law and it is not expiring.
that includes a 3.8% tax for obamacare. taxes go on and on. so what are advisors telling their clients? the answer is maybe not so much. rick adelman joins me now. this is a letter you wrote your clients. when i thought was interesting about it is that you don't get a ton of direct advice here. at th end of the day come you don't know what's going to happen. >> that's right, i'm an advisor who can devise because we don't know what the devices would be yet. we have a month before the end...
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why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on success. it's an attack on capital itch. it's also an attack on good taste, although we didn't show the most vulgar part. where does a successful actor like this get off saying this kind of thing? what does he know about capitalism anyway as he makes his bucks, and by the way, this entire cartoon was sponsored by the teachers union. what a shocking surprise there. they, too, higher taxes on the rich, knock down free market capitalism, go up against free enterprise. you know, when is this left wing stuff going to end? i guess the answer is n
why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on...
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sales tax. it is spurring growth and putting people to work there. wayne would it work here? >> it is a sad day to think that we have to do something the communist china is doing . it worked very well and they have expand today to other provinces in china and it is working very, very well. yes. >> national sales tax does that work here, johnathon? >> it would. it is it fair and treats everyonely and easy to understand and more importantly taxes consumption and not production. the only thing i like about communist china is the chicken but the corporate next tax must go and think of how much more wealth and jobs we would have if it add more to the profits every year. >> julian, what do you make of >> the reason a national sales tax is good it is hardero cheat on and the reason it is it bad. econy growing at 2.4 percent. it would not stimute the commempt i like the bus tax cutos the top two percent than the valuattedad tax. all of the economic data said if you let them expire you will have no impac
sales tax. it is spurring growth and putting people to work there. wayne would it work here? >> it is a sad day to think that we have to do something the communist china is doing . it worked very well and they have expand today to other provinces in china and it is working very, very well. yes. >> national sales tax does that work here, johnathon? >> it would. it is it fair and treats everyonely and easy to understand and more importantly taxes consumption and not production....
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the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social security thing. >> eric: obama in october of 2008 before he was president obama. season. >> the way bush has done it, over the last eight years is to take out a credit cardback of china in the game of the children, driving up the national debt. that is irresponsible and unpatriotic. >> eric: unpatriotic. $5 trillion in debt. president obama will add ten, 11, 12 trillion in debt. when he is done with this. >> for years, president obama running when he was senator, running for president always said that the bush tax cuts were only for the rich and only benefit the rich. now he says that the republicans ar
the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social...
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the risk is if we do go over the cliff, allow taxes -- that means taxes on every american will go up. every taxpayer will go up first of the year. not just on the top 2%. and somebody's going to get the blame for that. we're counting on the republicans -- americans knowing that republicans are to blame. is that the case? do you agree. 1-866-55-press. is that what the president ought to do. 1-866-55-press. one thing you ought to -- before we get back to your calls urge you to consider, particularly if you are one of those families struggling to make ends meet at the end of every month and who's not, take a look at incomeathome.com. no obligation. just check it out. they're america's leading work from home business and they're offering you an opportunity you can do. in matter your age education or experience, you can literally earn money on your own laptop from your own kitchen table 24/67. it is at least worth checking out. if you're sick of living paycheck to paycheck, worried about job security or retirement if your goal is to.earn extra money part-time or full time, they're adding m
the risk is if we do go over the cliff, allow taxes -- that means taxes on every american will go up. every taxpayer will go up first of the year. not just on the top 2%. and somebody's going to get the blame for that. we're counting on the republicans -- americans knowing that republicans are to blame. is that the case? do you agree. 1-866-55-press. is that what the president ought to do. 1-866-55-press. one thing you ought to -- before we get back to your calls urge you to consider,...
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taxes will go higher. you're also talking about the possibility of a much slower economy. and how does that impact earnings in 2013? let's say hypothetically we go off the fiscal cliff because clearly both sides are digging in. here we are at the edge once again like last summer. we go off the fiscal cliff. 2013 comes. we go into recession. doesn't that hit corporate earnings, which, of course, has been the best part of this recovery anywhere? >> there's no question about that. i would contend that the market has probably already factored most of that in. when you can buy a number of stocks -- in the hodges small cap fund, we have a number of stocks trading below their growth rate. that's telling you that the market is not expecting good growth. when you can buy stocks that are growing at 20% a year at ten times earnings, that's a good valuation. there are a number of those situations there that we're seeing left and right. >> got to go, guys. >> okay. >> sorry, jeff. you know how that works. you guys on t
taxes will go higher. you're also talking about the possibility of a much slower economy. and how does that impact earnings in 2013? let's say hypothetically we go off the fiscal cliff because clearly both sides are digging in. here we are at the edge once again like last summer. we go off the fiscal cliff. 2013 comes. we go into recession. doesn't that hit corporate earnings, which, of course, has been the best part of this recovery anywhere? >> there's no question about that. i would...
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we don't like to tax two or three times, which dividends or other taxes might be taxed. so too small. and there is a principle involved. >> steven ratner, is there a principle, or just bloody mindedness by republicans, led by grover norquist, we shall not pay anymore taxes ever? >> at some point, there are too many taxes, but we're a long away from that. let's just look at earned taxes, lower than they were under president clinton put in place ten years ago. and all president obama is saying let's go from 35% to the top earners, to 39.6%, same as it was under president clinton, the economy did well. it is more than just a drop in the bucket. just raising rates on people making over 250,000, would be a trillion deficit -- >> a trillion dollars, henry, is nothing to be sniffed at. some urged the party to extend the bush-era tax cuts, for the households that earn less than $250,000, to insure the taxes don't go up. who cares anyway? >> sure, there is a point in there. i might dispute the numbers. i would argue as the members of my party, i would argue that we have a spendin
we don't like to tax two or three times, which dividends or other taxes might be taxed. so too small. and there is a principle involved. >> steven ratner, is there a principle, or just bloody mindedness by republicans, led by grover norquist, we shall not pay anymore taxes ever? >> at some point, there are too many taxes, but we're a long away from that. let's just look at earned taxes, lower than they were under president clinton put in place ten years ago. and all president obama...
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i'm offering 98% a tax cut of $2,000 a year. you are the party of lower taxes. are you going to refuse to cut people's tacks? >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making the concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> so you have been around this town a long time, you have been in a lot of negotiations, what is there game? what is their thinking as to how they are going to work their will? do they just figure they won, they are going to get what they want? >> i have no idea, chris. if i knew, i would share it with you but i don't think what they are thinking. >> do you think they are being bullies? >> i think they won the election, they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> and again, because you kind of didn't answ
i'm offering 98% a tax cut of $2,000 a year. you are the party of lower taxes. are you going to refuse to cut people's tacks? >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making the concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> so you have been around this town a long time, you have been in a lot of negotiations, what is there game?...
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the parking tax. our office would like to thank supervisor campos for carrying that legislation. this follows on the efforts of former supervisors mcgoldrick, dufty >> the parking tax is pretty significant tax for san francisco. it collects a little over $70 million a year in taxes. most of that is appropriated to the mta for transit programs, and so it's a very important tax. the legislation specifically amends how parking bonds are treated. parking bonds are required of operators to protect the city's interest and provide security for the taxes that the operator holds prior to remitting them to the city. so what happens is when you or i go and park in a parking lot, and we make a payment, we're actually paying the tax at that time. and the operator holds onto that and remit it's a month later. since those operators are holding onto those tax dollars on behalf of the city, we do require some security for that. currently there are seven different levels of bonding required based on how much gross rece
the parking tax. our office would like to thank supervisor campos for carrying that legislation. this follows on the efforts of former supervisors mcgoldrick, dufty >> the parking tax is pretty significant tax for san francisco. it collects a little over $70 million a year in taxes. most of that is appropriated to the mta for transit programs, and so it's a very important tax. the legislation specifically amends how parking bonds are treated. parking bonds are required of operators to...
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org i mean paid smart sorry paying a smaller tax than my secretary paige. but we knew what it meant yeah yeah listen if a dollar a dollar and we're taxed accordingly and you do that for the so security system and all dollars were taxed equally out of the social security system so security would be solvent forever and a dollar a dollar of the medicare system medicare would be solvent for ever and if a dollar a dollar under the income tax system and that includes corporate dollars we'd be very close to a balanced budget so what's wrong with that idea makes perfect sense to me the conundrum is how do you convey that to the american people after all these years of indoctrination i mean it's amazing i'm on my radio show you know we take calls and i get these you know red state republicans you know people making twenty five thirty thousand dollars a year sharpening chainsaws call and of course you can't raise the taxes on rich people it's going to do away with our jobs i heard it on sean hannity you know it's just what do we see. the same dollars a dollar a dolla
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and tax increases. >> yeah. speaking of which, bob, at least over the weekend, it looks like the white house has moved their piece, and they are not going to move again until the republicans table something. how do you see these things going down? we've got three weeks to play with here before everybody really does leave for the holidays. are you optimistic? >> i'm optimistic by nature. and i have a feeling that when the economic future of the country is at stake or at least the near-term economic future of the country, people are going to rise above and do the right thing. and i think the republicans, frankly, are going to have to accept some tax increases. the wealthy are going to have to accept some tax increases, even if only temporary. but on the other side, there's got to be massive spending cuts and entitlement programs, because you can't have the -- a minor revenue increase without a decrease in spending. and then again, my favorite solution would be a temporary national sales tax, and a federal fuel tax
and tax increases. >> yeah. speaking of which, bob, at least over the weekend, it looks like the white house has moved their piece, and they are not going to move again until the republicans table something. how do you see these things going down? we've got three weeks to play with here before everybody really does leave for the holidays. are you optimistic? >> i'm optimistic by nature. and i have a feeling that when the economic future of the country is at stake or at least the...
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making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four poin
making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to...
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income taxes, that we haven't paid more attention to property, state, local, and sales taxes? >> one big reason is this data doesn't exist. we created a model so that we could simulate the way that this tax burden is distributed. there's go government entity that looks at the burden of taxation. there is no centralized data. so people really miss this point. they don't appreciate the extent to which state and local taxes are interacting with federal taxes and really consuming the savings that people otherwise might be getting. it's just a new way of looking at it. >> and there's something that i guess is being called housers law where the idea being no matter where tax rates are, tax revenues as a percentage of gdp are going to remain constant or relatively constant over time. have you been getting pushed back to your story about that concept conce concept? >> well, it's important to understand that's true. whether or not it's a law is another question. it's absolutely true that they've remained pretty stable. the point here is the distribution has changed. relatively speaking
income taxes, that we haven't paid more attention to property, state, local, and sales taxes? >> one big reason is this data doesn't exist. we created a model so that we could simulate the way that this tax burden is distributed. there's go government entity that looks at the burden of taxation. there is no centralized data. so people really miss this point. they don't appreciate the extent to which state and local taxes are interacting with federal taxes and really consuming the savings...
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tax rate goes up. eventually you will get someone out, to get that president out and get president who wants lower tax rates and congress that wants the lower tax rate and maybe a senate. it would hurt dramatically. best time to do it is now. >> andrea: there are two schools of thought here. one if you follow twitter or watch republicans who are on the pundit circle, they say let them go off cliff and let obama own that. there is another one that says just let him have what he wants and then when the economy nose dives he will have to own it. republicans are going to get blamed anyway. do you feel strong about either one of those? >> dana: not necessarily. i do think i see in "washington post," headline, obama offers plan for cliff. plan to be in quotes. the thing that amazes me and the media lets it happen. for eight years or longer now. i had to defend how many times people said on the left, including president obama when he was running for president the first time, the bush tax cuts only help the ri
tax rate goes up. eventually you will get someone out, to get that president out and get president who wants lower tax rates and congress that wants the lower tax rate and maybe a senate. it would hurt dramatically. best time to do it is now. >> andrea: there are two schools of thought here. one if you follow twitter or watch republicans who are on the pundit circle, they say let them go off cliff and let obama own that. there is another one that says just let him have what he wants and...
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we will accept some tax increases. but let's remember, there are some very important details to be worked out. how much and when. will they just say, okay, we will stand aside while democrats pass this tax cut for the middle class and then let the tax cuts for the wealthy engs pyre? that could happen. but does it happen before the end of the year? does it happen after the end of the year? >> now, dana, on that point, a lot of this is that they seem to have already lost the american public. in a new series of polls. quinnipiac shows that americans have views close to the president. 65% say raise taxes on $250,000 plus. 85% of polls pledged against raising taxes. that's 85%. 51% think that the gop is negotiating in bad faith. so the public seems to be gone from the republican cause. >> right. by two to one in virtually all of these polls we are seeing that they are likely to blame the republicans if the fiscal cliff is reached. and i think you've seen president obama going around the country, as with that family and the
we will accept some tax increases. but let's remember, there are some very important details to be worked out. how much and when. will they just say, okay, we will stand aside while democrats pass this tax cut for the middle class and then let the tax cuts for the wealthy engs pyre? that could happen. but does it happen before the end of the year? does it happen after the end of the year? >> now, dana, on that point, a lot of this is that they seem to have already lost the american...
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and gift tax. they want to lock in the exemption this year, before it goes away. >> possibly, the worst thing for the housing market is if there's no compromise and we end up going off that fiscal cliff, and then there's a sharp cut in government spending. that could push the economy into a recession, raising the unemployment rate and that could push home values back down, wolf. >> a serious problem for a lot of people. let's hope we don't go over that fiscal cliff. >> fingers crossed they will reach a compromise. i don't think there's anyone out there that wants to see us go over that fiscal cliff. >> that would be bad. but the clock is ticking. only a few weeks left. >>> the biggest problem between the united states and mexico and how to solve it. i'll speak with mexico's new president. my exclusive interview is just ahead. this line is a convenienc. how you doing today? i'm good thanks. how are you? i'm good. [ gordon ] but for others, it's all they can afford. every day nearly nine million olde
and gift tax. they want to lock in the exemption this year, before it goes away. >> possibly, the worst thing for the housing market is if there's no compromise and we end up going off that fiscal cliff, and then there's a sharp cut in government spending. that could push the economy into a recession, raising the unemployment rate and that could push home values back down, wolf. >> a serious problem for a lot of people. let's hope we don't go over that fiscal cliff. >> fingers...
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everybody here, you'll see your taxes go up on january 1. and it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper-income folks to go up. gwen: house speaker john boehner's response, no way. they are, he said, at stalemate. >> the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little -- not even $400 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. gwen: both ends say americans voted for growth and responsibility during the last election, but each apparently is read looking the same message differently. what a surprise. so how much of the policy is about standoff and how much is about politics? >> it's a little bit of each. but i would have to say right
everybody here, you'll see your taxes go up on january 1. and it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper-income folks to go up. gwen: house speaker john boehner's response, no way. they are, he said, at stalemate. >> the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6...
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these taxes the president wants. if begive him all tax increases it pays for 8 and a half days of government. it doesn't do anything for middle class it will destroy middle class job creation. the more we tell people that the stronger we will be in being able to negotiate a solution moving forward. >> bill: handicap it real quick, is it going to happen or go into january with chaos? >> at a minimum what i hope is that we'll be able to do something here that avoids this fiscal cliff which is a creation of congress. it's a bipartisan creation. this fiscal cliff is the result of the last fiscal cliff. >> bill: that put a date on there. >> yeah. >> bill: may extend the date that's what i think is going to happen. >> my hope is is that we can avoid the bad stuff. then we have to deal with the 16 trillion-dollar debt that $1 trillion a year in deficit spending. we have to solve that. that thing is not going to solve itself. >> bill: doesn't feel like the president feels the urgency that you feel. you are one of the leaders
these taxes the president wants. if begive him all tax increases it pays for 8 and a half days of government. it doesn't do anything for middle class it will destroy middle class job creation. the more we tell people that the stronger we will be in being able to negotiate a solution moving forward. >> bill: handicap it real quick, is it going to happen or go into january with chaos? >> at a minimum what i hope is that we'll be able to do something here that avoids this fiscal cliff...
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that comes through smart tax policy, not dumb tax policy. melissa: but they always say, if you don't, the wealthy won't miss it. they will just pay a little bit more. it is fair their share. it wil help close the gap. how do you respond to that? >> all of that money is locked up into productive activity whether in a business or the stock market or somewhere else so the more that you tax that income, at means there's less investment, there's less for the business. there is less for hiring. it has to come from somewhere. it is not a costless exercise and ultimately that trickles down to workers through lower productivity and lower wages. that is bad forverydy. that means lower standards of living for everybody. melissa: bob, is there mon difference between money in the hands of the government and money in the hands of the private sector. >> certainly the private sector is better productively. melissa: how do you know that? >> how do i know that? you see that in economies where private sector activity do more productive over time than economies
that comes through smart tax policy, not dumb tax policy. melissa: but they always say, if you don't, the wealthy won't miss it. they will just pay a little bit more. it is fair their share. it wil help close the gap. how do you respond to that? >> all of that money is locked up into productive activity whether in a business or the stock market or somewhere else so the more that you tax that income, at means there's less investment, there's less for the business. there is less for hiring....
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among let's put a downpaymmnt on taxes, let's let tax breaks and the upper-income folks go up. lou: president obama is loking to hide even more taxe to find more taxable victms beyond the so-called ich. but there are yet more conditionsas white ouse press secretary jay carney today reminded us. the president emnds any deal is dependent upon a hike in the nation det ceiling. carney says the debt ceiling is another issue the preident simply cannot bring himself to negotiate with those lowly republicans on the hill. and today began a new campaign of blame for the national debt directedat, yes, congress. me. >> your not going to negotiate over what is a fundamental responsibility congress, which is to pay the bills that congress cured. ithould beart of the dal. it should be done, and it should be done without trauma. lou: the president is not alone in demands for non negotiation of vat regions of the federal wastand. me ongressional democrats are also very spcific about hat they refuse to egotiate as well. for example, the conggessional black caucus nnounced that it is strony oppos
among let's put a downpaymmnt on taxes, let's let tax breaks and the upper-income folks go up. lou: president obama is loking to hide even more taxe to find more taxable victms beyond the so-called ich. but there are yet more conditionsas white ouse press secretary jay carney today reminded us. the president emnds any deal is dependent upon a hike in the nation det ceiling. carney says the debt ceiling is another issue the preident simply cannot bring himself to negotiate with those lowly...
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from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would say the fiscal cliff is much more important, let's figure out a way to handle it but with the end in sight of simpson/bowles. we all know we need to get there. instead of this obsession with the top 2% and 39.6, wouldn't you be spending is your leadership capital trying to get to a simpson/bowles. >> that's the most loaded question you could have possibly asked. >> am i wrong? >> no, i agree with that, i agree with simpson/bowles. >> no one's listening at the white house so i can say whatever i want. >> when we've asked republican leaders they've not embraced simpson/bow
from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would...
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by increasing taxes on things like investment income, the estate tax. you know, there's other ways to get that money. i think the important thing to keep in mind is, you know, that raising taxes on the top 2%, part of it is political. it's something that the president campaigned on. it's something that he definitely wants. and it's something that republicans are very opposed to at this point. >> ultimately how much will any of these plans really cut into the national debt, which stands at what, over $16 trillion now? >> right. well part of the issue with these plans is just that some of them -- they don't necessarily address some of the long-term issues. and so over the long-term, over the next 10 for 20 years most likely taxes will have to go up for a lot of people, not just the top 2%. some of the middle-class people will have to give up some of their tax breaks and the thing is, as well, is that there will have to be some spending cuts in health care. we have a huge demographic problem in the country with baby boomers starting to retire and taking ad
by increasing taxes on things like investment income, the estate tax. you know, there's other ways to get that money. i think the important thing to keep in mind is, you know, that raising taxes on the top 2%, part of it is political. it's something that the president campaigned on. it's something that he definitely wants. and it's something that republicans are very opposed to at this point. >> ultimately how much will any of these plans really cut into the national debt, which stands at...
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a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax increases next year. >> so, john boehner, the speaker for the republican party in
a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess...
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first taxes don't data. what about taxes. his take on the cliff hanger and why investors shouldn't worry about taxes. and dell trade or trap? goldman jumps on the band wagon. 2012 gold rush. why are americans stocking up on gold coins? is it another way to say diversify? we have to get straight to our top story and tonight that is will the cliff ruin christmas? the rhetoric cnbc has the latest including the white house response to the gop proposal. >> just within the past few minutes we have gotten the white house's response to the boehner counter proposal to the white house proposal last week. the white house doesn't like the proposal from bane kpp today. dan fifer saying the republican la letter does not meet the balance and sticks the middle class with the bill. clearly what we are seeing is a negotiation. the white house doesn't like what they have been presented and now the offers and counteroffers will continue to fly and will start to get a little more close to one another. neither one of these as they have been laid o
first taxes don't data. what about taxes. his take on the cliff hanger and why investors shouldn't worry about taxes. and dell trade or trap? goldman jumps on the band wagon. 2012 gold rush. why are americans stocking up on gold coins? is it another way to say diversify? we have to get straight to our top story and tonight that is will the cliff ruin christmas? the rhetoric cnbc has the latest including the white house response to the gop proposal. >> just within the past few minutes we...
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basically i pay taxes. you pay taxes. melissa: ex on pays taxes? >> exxon does not pay their fair share. they get tax breaks written to the law by highly paid lobbyists and supported by many congresspeople who they give millions of dollars too every year in election campaigns. melissa: but you still said tax breaks. that is their money that they're hanging on to. it is not money they're getting back from congress. it is their money!. >> it is money that everyone else has to pay. you know, they get special tax break for, for instance if they want to make a project internationally, they have a special government-backed loan program at the u.s. export-import bank. last year that program alone provided $10.4 billion in fossil fuels. melissa: can i ask you would be be better like my children and wont out like the navy and spent $26 a gallon on biofuels or like the air force which is spending $59 a gallon. would that be better for my children if we were all doing that? i don't like the navy and air force doing that. i think that is bad for my children's
basically i pay taxes. you pay taxes. melissa: ex on pays taxes? >> exxon does not pay their fair share. they get tax breaks written to the law by highly paid lobbyists and supported by many congresspeople who they give millions of dollars too every year in election campaigns. melissa: but you still said tax breaks. that is their money that they're hanging on to. it is not money they're getting back from congress. it is their money!. >> it is money that everyone else has to pay. you...
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raising taxes would. there's no question about it, but if the problem is that we have a lot of debt and there has to be some pain, whether in cuts or the form of higher tax revenues, that means there has to be pain. look at the math. $2.8 trillion to go back to the clinton era rates. that's 17% of debt wiped out overnight. if you're worried about the debt, how can't you look at that seriously? >> the reason i would say it's not 17% of our debt because right now we have a trillion dollar deficit every single year. if we went back to zero, that's true. right now with fourth year in a row with over a trillion dollars in deficit spending, that deficit and debt continues it to climb. it doesn't wipe it out. what does it do to the overall economy. we're not just dealing with one tax increase right now. the affordable care act actually begin on january 1st as well for people making $200,000 or more or people with large medical bills. that already starts coming up. this is an additional tax increase on top of tha
raising taxes would. there's no question about it, but if the problem is that we have a lot of debt and there has to be some pain, whether in cuts or the form of higher tax revenues, that means there has to be pain. look at the math. $2.8 trillion to go back to the clinton era rates. that's 17% of debt wiped out overnight. if you're worried about the debt, how can't you look at that seriously? >> the reason i would say it's not 17% of our debt because right now we have a trillion dollar...
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cuts will expire so the tax cuts -- the taxes are going to go up on everybody, right? the fiscal cliff, you go over the cliff, the taxes go up for every single person. is the plan then if you do a deal for taxes on the middle class, then de facto the taxes go up on the wealthy and sort of have a win/win for the democrats? is that the scenario we're looking at now? >> well, the scenario is that we still have time to put a deal together. the president has a detailed proposal on the table. republicans need to decide where they want to move. john boehner needs to decide how he will get his caucus together. they're becoming increasingly isolated in their position. hopefully we can have a deal which protects the middle class. there is a piece of legislation sitting in the house today that would prevent taxes from going up on 98% of the american people. 97% of small businesses. they should go ahead and move that. and then we can have a broader discussion of how we achieve larger deficit reduction and avoid the fiscal cliff. but there's plenty of room and plenty of time for co
cuts will expire so the tax cuts -- the taxes are going to go up on everybody, right? the fiscal cliff, you go over the cliff, the taxes go up for every single person. is the plan then if you do a deal for taxes on the middle class, then de facto the taxes go up on the wealthy and sort of have a win/win for the democrats? is that the scenario we're looking at now? >> well, the scenario is that we still have time to put a deal together. the president has a detailed proposal on the table....
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we want to tax the rich with higher tax rates on the rich. we have a dollar difference, a difference in principle. martha: we are hung up on ideology here. if you can get the money one way and it produces a long lasting change to the tax code which both sides say they want, what seems to be the problem? >> reporter: it's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely different story. this is a political and ideological argument and we'll see who wins. martha: there is a couple ways this could go. one is to land in the middle. you have $800 billion and $1.6 trillion. the other is for one side to say no deal. we'll let you go over the fiscal cliff and we'll see what happens. >> reporter: at the last minute i think there will be a deal. i think republicans will retreat and say okay, you can have higher tax rates but only on people making a half million dollars a year. the president will say, okay, but we'll only discuss -- we'l
we want to tax the rich with higher tax rates on the rich. we have a dollar difference, a difference in principle. martha: we are hung up on ideology here. if you can get the money one way and it produces a long lasting change to the tax code which both sides say they want, what seems to be the problem? >> reporter: it's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely...
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if you look at the tax side, the president campaigned on raising taxes but high talked about raising them to the tune of $800 billion. instead, what was put on the table is double that, $1.6 trillion in new tax increases. the president, though, out there upsetting republicans because he is outcampaigning again and he said i missed being out here on the trail. so rather than negotiating with republicans he was on the road in pennsylvania and saying i ran on this in terms of raising taxes. it is time to collect. >> at the end of the day, a clear majority of americans, democrats, republicans, independents, agreed with a balanced approach to gift reduction and making sure the middle class taxes don't go up. folks agreed to that. now the good news is we are starting to see a few republicans coming around to it, too. >>reporter: nancy pelosi has a news conference and added that elections have consequences. the democrats now think they can push their agenda through but republicans are saying when the democrats ran on the balanced approach it was not just tax increases but spending cuts, as
if you look at the tax side, the president campaigned on raising taxes but high talked about raising them to the tune of $800 billion. instead, what was put on the table is double that, $1.6 trillion in new tax increases. the president, though, out there upsetting republicans because he is outcampaigning again and he said i missed being out here on the trail. so rather than negotiating with republicans he was on the road in pennsylvania and saying i ran on this in terms of raising taxes. it is...
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back to bush years tax cuts. you can get another piece out of that capping deductions, somebody has to come forward and say we have to reduce medicare spending all thee parties are net negative on raising income taxes for everybody. all thee parties net negative on raising the requirement atireme. rediscussi reducing net spending, the democrats are a little better on that. >> you thought it was amazing that 30% of the public have not heard about the fiscal cliff. that didn't raise very high on major issues that are out there. >> the other thing i wanted to ask you about is the apple situation, after that performance yesterday, you talked last week about how you talked about the people that were selling this week. do you think that's really what's happening in this situation? >> i do. whether it's that side which is kind of the negative side, you break the piggy bank, you want to beat capital gameins, you wa to beat the tax man. i think both those sides of the equation may have a lot more horsepower than people th
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there are the tax so-called charitable foundations who pay no taxes. two of the richest men in our country, warren buffett and gates put all their $140 billion into a charitable trust. i like to hear your comments about these things. host: do you take advantage of deductions? caller: very little. they tax my social security. host: ok. john mckinnon. guest: the caller makes two good points. major corporations pay lower tax rates. high-tech companies pay very low tax rates. this is a problem that companies around the world are a part of. u.s. companies are not the only ones. there is a global race to the bottom in terms of tax rates. there are lots of tax havens around the world and these countries are taking advantage of these tax haven countries. some of them are big western european countries. it is a problem that leaders of governments around the world are trying to address but it is difficult. there is global competition for the business of these companies. they are drawn to the countries with the lowest tax rates. the companies will say they do pay
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on the middle class, tax the rich more. there were even calls in that room for higher minimum wages. clearly, no one wants to cut out the safety net that working people are promised for their lives of diligence, using their brains and brawn to build our country. >> mr. prince, republicans claim that the president's plan is bad for small business. why do you think they are wrong? >> let me tell you. the president's plans so far have helped my business. from 2008 to 2011, things were very flat. sales were flat or even down. as the stimulus started to kick in, we started seeing month to month, every month sense late 2010, our sales go up. it is consumers having more can have dense, having more money. obama care was huge. i provide health insurance for all my employees. the aca is underwriting small businesses doing that helped me absorb a huge increase because i have a couple of folks who work for me who are going through some illness problems. >> lee saunders, your members of afscme, will be financially hurt if we go over the
on the middle class, tax the rich more. there were even calls in that room for higher minimum wages. clearly, no one wants to cut out the safety net that working people are promised for their lives of diligence, using their brains and brawn to build our country. >> mr. prince, republicans claim that the president's plan is bad for small business. why do you think they are wrong? >> let me tell you. the president's plans so far have helped my business. from 2008 to 2011, things were...
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doing a tax cut. give them a big giveaway. the reality, the reality is, the reality the prime minister couldn't get away from, the deficit is going up, not down, on his watch. we all remember the posters which is airbrushed, i will cut the deficit, not the nhs. the facts speak for themselves. he cut the nhs and is not cutting the deficit. >> we are increasing spending on the nhs and we are cutting the deficit. we have cut the deficit by 25%. there are a million more private sector jobs. businesses are starting at higher rate than any time in our history. this economy is on the right track. we are equipping britain for the global race and on like the party opposite we are in the side of people who work hard and want to do the right thing. what is the answer? more borrowing, more spending, more of the things that got us into this mess in the first place. >> mr. speaker, years ago the nhs spent five hundred million pounds on tamiflu without seeing the day on the effectiveness or safety and rather than be
doing a tax cut. give them a big giveaway. the reality, the reality is, the reality the prime minister couldn't get away from, the deficit is going up, not down, on his watch. we all remember the posters which is airbrushed, i will cut the deficit, not the nhs. the facts speak for themselves. he cut the nhs and is not cutting the deficit. >> we are increasing spending on the nhs and we are cutting the deficit. we have cut the deficit by 25%. there are a million more private sector jobs....